Released Jobs - Version Control
Released Jobs - Version Control
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Phil,
Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like 10k or 15k and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own business. Its really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance at. This really becomes a godsend when you start real world development especially in a "development--->test--->production" type of production environment.
Regards,
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> Is this same third party product which creates a version project?
>
> Do you know what is costs?
> Phil.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> >
> > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required. First
> > export the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> >
> > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> > modify/rename
etc
> > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would not
expect
> > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the imagination but
> > it certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you loose
> > your original source code.
> >
> > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty good
> > Version Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > more
advanced
> > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> > in-expensive add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> > check-in/check-out
and
> > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can import
> > from development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> > supports sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at
> > version 1.2 and
the
> > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be at 4.0.
You
> > can also have it create the hash files for you when it publishes to
> > the production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > quick look
at
> > this productivity enhancer.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Allen
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Moderator"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> >
> >
> > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help with,
> > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Clif
> > >
> > >
> > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but this
> > > > ought
not
> > to be
> > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > > > DataStage repository structures.
> > >
> > >
Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like 10k or 15k and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own business. Its really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance at. This really becomes a godsend when you start real world development especially in a "development--->test--->production" type of production environment.
Regards,
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> Is this same third party product which creates a version project?
>
> Do you know what is costs?
> Phil.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> >
> > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required. First
> > export the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> >
> > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> > modify/rename
etc
> > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would not
expect
> > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the imagination but
> > it certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you loose
> > your original source code.
> >
> > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty good
> > Version Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > more
advanced
> > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> > in-expensive add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> > check-in/check-out
and
> > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can import
> > from development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> > supports sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at
> > version 1.2 and
the
> > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be at 4.0.
You
> > can also have it create the hash files for you when it publishes to
> > the production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > quick look
at
> > this productivity enhancer.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Allen
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Moderator"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> >
> >
> > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help with,
> > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Clif
> > >
> > >
> > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but this
> > > > ought
not
> > to be
> > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > > > DataStage repository structures.
> > >
> > >
Allen,
I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it. Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do everything I wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see wrong with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit clunky, from an Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and feel as the Manager, Designer, Director.
Phil.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
> Phil,
>
> Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like 10k
> or 15k and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling.
> It was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> business. Its
> really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance at. This
> really becomes a godsend when you start real world development especially
> in
> a "development--->test--->production" type of production environment.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Allen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Released Jobs
>
>
> > Is this same third party product which creates a version project?
> >
> > Do you know what is costs?
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > >
> > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> > > First export the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > >
> > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> > > modify/rename
> etc
> > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would not
> expect
> > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the imagination
> > > but
> it
> > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you loose
> > > your original source code.
> > >
> > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty good
> Version
> > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly more
> advanced
> > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> > > in-expensive add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> > > check-in/check-out
> and
> > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> > > import
> from
> > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> > > supports sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at
> > > version 1.2 and
> the
> > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be at
> > > 4.0.
> You
> > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it publishes
> > > to
> the
> > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a quick
> look
> at
> > > this productivity enhancer.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Allen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Moderator"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> > > > with, could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Clif
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but this
> > > > > ought
> not
> > > to be
> > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> DataStage
> > > > > repository structures.
> > > >
> > > >
I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it. Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do everything I wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see wrong with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit clunky, from an Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and feel as the Manager, Designer, Director.
Phil.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
> Phil,
>
> Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like 10k
> or 15k and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling.
> It was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> business. Its
> really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance at. This
> really becomes a godsend when you start real world development especially
> in
> a "development--->test--->production" type of production environment.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Allen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Released Jobs
>
>
> > Is this same third party product which creates a version project?
> >
> > Do you know what is costs?
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > >
> > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> > > First export the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > >
> > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> > > modify/rename
> etc
> > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would not
> expect
> > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the imagination
> > > but
> it
> > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you loose
> > > your original source code.
> > >
> > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty good
> Version
> > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly more
> advanced
> > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> > > in-expensive add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> > > check-in/check-out
> and
> > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> > > import
> from
> > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> > > supports sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at
> > > version 1.2 and
> the
> > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be at
> > > 4.0.
> You
> > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it publishes
> > > to
> the
> > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a quick
> look
> at
> > > this productivity enhancer.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Allen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Moderator"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> > > > with, could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Clif
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but this
> > > > > ought
> not
> > > to be
> > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> DataStage
> > > > > repository structures.
> > > >
> > > >
Maybe, they could spend some of that 1,000,000,000 in cash on buying the product 8^)
Phil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
> Phil,
>
> I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there
> thoughts on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing
> department. Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as
> well.
>
> Allen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
> > Allen,
> >
> > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it.
> > Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
> everything
> I
> > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
> wrong
> > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit clunky,
> from
> an
> > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and
> feel
> as
> > the Manager, Designer, Director.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
> > > 10k
> or
> > > 15k
> > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
> > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> > > business. Its really come along way and in my opinion is worth
> > > taking a glance at.
> This
> > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
> especially
> > > in
> > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
> > > environment.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Allen
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
> > > > project?
> > > >
> > > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > > Phil.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> First
> > > > > export
> > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > > >
> > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> modify/rename
> > > etc
> > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would
> > > > > not
> > > expect
> > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
> > > > > imagination
> but
> > > it
> > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
> > > > > loose
> your
> > > > > original source code.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
> > > > > good
> > > Version
> > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > > > > more
> > > advanced
> > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> in-expensive
> > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> check-in/check-out
> > > and
> > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> import
> > > from
> > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> supports
> > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
> > > > > 1.2
> and
> > > the
> > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
> > > > > at
> 4.0.
> > > You
> > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
> > > > > publishes
> to
> > > the
> > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > > > > quick
> > > look
> > > at
> > > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Allen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> with,
> > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clif
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
> > > > > > > this
> ought
> > > not
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > > DataStage
> > > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
Phil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
> Phil,
>
> I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there
> thoughts on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing
> department. Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as
> well.
>
> Allen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
> > Allen,
> >
> > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it.
> > Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
> everything
> I
> > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
> wrong
> > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit clunky,
> from
> an
> > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and
> feel
> as
> > the Manager, Designer, Director.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
> > > 10k
> or
> > > 15k
> > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
> > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> > > business. Its really come along way and in my opinion is worth
> > > taking a glance at.
> This
> > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
> especially
> > > in
> > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
> > > environment.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Allen
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
> > > > project?
> > > >
> > > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > > Phil.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> First
> > > > > export
> > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > > >
> > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> modify/rename
> > > etc
> > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would
> > > > > not
> > > expect
> > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
> > > > > imagination
> but
> > > it
> > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
> > > > > loose
> your
> > > > > original source code.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
> > > > > good
> > > Version
> > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > > > > more
> > > advanced
> > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> in-expensive
> > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> check-in/check-out
> > > and
> > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> import
> > > from
> > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> supports
> > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
> > > > > 1.2
> and
> > > the
> > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
> > > > > at
> 4.0.
> > > You
> > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
> > > > > publishes
> to
> > > the
> > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > > > > quick
> > > look
> > > at
> > > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Allen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> with,
> > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clif
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
> > > > > > > this
> ought
> > > not
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > > DataStage
> > > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
Phil,
I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there thoughts on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing department. Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as well.
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
> Allen,
>
> I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it.
> Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
> everything
I
> wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
> wrong with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit
> clunky, from
an
> Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and
> feel
as
> the Manager, Designer, Director.
>
> Phil.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like 10k
> > or 15k and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling.
> > It was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> > business. Its
> > really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance at.
This
> > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
especially
> > in
> > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
> > environment.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Allen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> >
> >
> > > Is this same third party product which creates a version project?
> > >
> > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > >
> > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> > > > First export the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > >
> > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
modify/rename
> > etc
> > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would
> > > > not
> > expect
> > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the imagination
> > > > but
> > it
> > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you loose
> > > > your original source code.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty good
> > Version
> > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly more
> > advanced
> > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
in-expensive
> > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
check-in/check-out
> > and
> > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> > > > import
> > from
> > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
supports
> > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
> > > > 1.2
and
> > the
> > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be at
> > > > 4.0.
> > You
> > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it publishes
> > > > to
> > the
> > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > > > quick
> > look
> > at
> > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Allen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> > > > > with, could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Clif
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but this
ought
> > not
> > > > to be
> > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > DataStage
> > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > >
> > > > >
I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there thoughts on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing department. Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as well.
Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
> Allen,
>
> I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it.
> Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
> everything
I
> wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
> wrong with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit
> clunky, from
an
> Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and
> feel
as
> the Manager, Designer, Director.
>
> Phil.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like 10k
> > or 15k and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling.
> > It was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> > business. Its
> > really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance at.
This
> > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
especially
> > in
> > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
> > environment.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Allen
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> >
> >
> > > Is this same third party product which creates a version project?
> > >
> > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > >
> > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> > > > First export the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > >
> > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
modify/rename
> > etc
> > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would
> > > > not
> > expect
> > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the imagination
> > > > but
> > it
> > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you loose
> > > > your original source code.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty good
> > Version
> > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly more
> > advanced
> > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
in-expensive
> > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
check-in/check-out
> > and
> > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> > > > import
> > from
> > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
supports
> > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
> > > > 1.2
and
> > the
> > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be at
> > > > 4.0.
> > You
> > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it publishes
> > > > to
> > the
> > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > > > quick
> > look
> > at
> > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Allen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> > > > > with, could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Clif
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but this
ought
> > not
> > > > to be
> > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > DataStage
> > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > >
> > > > >
You never know ... Ive I was a betting man I would think they would want to take this in-house.
-Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
> Maybe, they could spend some of that 1,000,000,000 in cash on buying
> the product 8^)
>
> Phil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
> > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there
thoughts
> > on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing department.
> > Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as well.
> >
> > Allen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
> >
> >
> > > Allen,
> > >
> > > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at
> > > it. Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to
> > > do
> > everything
> > I
> > > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could
> > > see
> > wrong
> > > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit
> > > clunky,
> > from
> > an
> > > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look
> > > and
> > feel
> > as
> > > the Manager, Designer, Director.
> > >
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> > > >
> > > > Phil,
> > > >
> > > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
> > > > 10k
> > or
> > > > 15k
> > > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
> > > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
business.
> > > > Its
> > > > really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance
> > > > at.
> > This
> > > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
> > especially
> > > > in
> > > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
environment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Allen
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
> > > > > project?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > > > Phil.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be
> > > > > > required.
> > First
> > > > > > export
> > > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> > modify/rename
> > > > etc
> > > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I
> > > > > > would
not
> > > > expect
> > > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
> > > > > > imagination
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
> > > > > > loose
> > your
> > > > > > original source code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
> > > > > > good
> > > > Version
> > > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > > > > > more
> > > > advanced
> > > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> > in-expensive
> > > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> > check-in/check-out
> > > > and
> > > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> > import
> > > > from
> > > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production.
> > > > > > It
> > supports
> > > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at
> > > > > > version
1.2
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
> > > > > > at
> > 4.0.
> > > > You
> > > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
> > > > > > publishes
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
quick
> > > > look
> > > > at
> > > > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Allen
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could
> > > > > > > help
> > with,
> > > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Clif
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
> > > > > > > > this
> > ought
> > > > not
> > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the
> > > > > > > > underlying
> > > > DataStage
> > > > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
-Allen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 7:04 PM
Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
> Maybe, they could spend some of that 1,000,000,000 in cash on buying
> the product 8^)
>
> Phil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
> > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> >
> > Phil,
> >
> > I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there
thoughts
> > on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing department.
> > Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as well.
> >
> > Allen
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
> >
> >
> > > Allen,
> > >
> > > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at
> > > it. Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to
> > > do
> > everything
> > I
> > > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could
> > > see
> > wrong
> > > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit
> > > clunky,
> > from
> > an
> > > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look
> > > and
> > feel
> > as
> > > the Manager, Designer, Director.
> > >
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> > > >
> > > > Phil,
> > > >
> > > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
> > > > 10k
> > or
> > > > 15k
> > > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
> > > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
business.
> > > > Its
> > > > really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance
> > > > at.
> > This
> > > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
> > especially
> > > > in
> > > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
environment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Allen
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
> > > > > project?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > > > Phil.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be
> > > > > > required.
> > First
> > > > > > export
> > > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> > modify/rename
> > > > etc
> > > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I
> > > > > > would
not
> > > > expect
> > > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
> > > > > > imagination
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
> > > > > > loose
> > your
> > > > > > original source code.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
> > > > > > good
> > > > Version
> > > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > > > > > more
> > > > advanced
> > > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> > in-expensive
> > > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> > check-in/check-out
> > > > and
> > > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> > import
> > > > from
> > > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production.
> > > > > > It
> > supports
> > > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at
> > > > > > version
1.2
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
> > > > > > at
> > 4.0.
> > > > You
> > > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
> > > > > > publishes
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
quick
> > > > look
> > > > at
> > > > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Allen
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could
> > > > > > > help
> > with,
> > > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Clif
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
> > > > > > > > this
> > ought
> > > > not
> > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the
> > > > > > > > underlying
> > > > DataStage
> > > > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
The IRS gets the first 250,000,000 !!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Walker, Phil (Forest Resources) [mailto:Phil.Walker@chh.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 12:05
To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
Maybe, they could spend some of that 1,000,000,000 in cash on buying the product 8^)
Phil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
> Phil,
>
> I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there
> thoughts on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing
> department. Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as
> well.
>
> Allen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
> > Allen,
> >
> > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it.
> > Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
> everything
> I
> > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
> wrong
> > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit clunky,
> from
> an
> > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and
> feel
> as
> > the Manager, Designer, Director.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
> > > 10k
> or
> > > 15k
> > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
> > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> > > business. Its really come along way and in my opinion is worth
> > > taking a glance at.
> This
> > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
> especially
> > > in
> > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
> > > environment.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Allen
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
> > > > project?
> > > >
> > > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > > Phil.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> First
> > > > > export
> > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > > >
> > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> modify/rename
> > > etc
> > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would
> > > > > not
> > > expect
> > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
> > > > > imagination
> but
> > > it
> > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
> > > > > loose
> your
> > > > > original source code.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
> > > > > good
> > > Version
> > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > > > > more
> > > advanced
> > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> in-expensive
> > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> check-in/check-out
> > > and
> > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> import
> > > from
> > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> supports
> > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
> > > > > 1.2
> and
> > > the
> > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
> > > > > at
> 4.0.
> > > You
> > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
> > > > > publishes
> to
> > > the
> > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > > > > quick
> > > look
> > > at
> > > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Allen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> with,
> > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clif
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
> > > > > > > this
> ought
> > > not
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > > DataStage
> > > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
-----Original Message-----
From: Walker, Phil (Forest Resources) [mailto:Phil.Walker@chh.co.nz]
Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 12:05
To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
Maybe, they could spend some of that 1,000,000,000 in cash on buying the product 8^)
Phil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
> Phil,
>
> I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get there
> thoughts on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing
> department. Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as
> well.
>
> Allen
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
> > Allen,
> >
> > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at it.
> > Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
> everything
> I
> > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
> wrong
> > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit clunky,
> from
> an
> > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look and
> feel
> as
> > the Manager, Designer, Director.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
> > >
> > > Phil,
> > >
> > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
> > > 10k
> or
> > > 15k
> > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
> > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
> > > business. Its really come along way and in my opinion is worth
> > > taking a glance at.
> This
> > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
> especially
> > > in
> > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
> > > environment.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Allen
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
> > >
> > >
> > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
> > > > project?
> > > >
> > > > Do you know what is costs?
> > > > Phil.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
> > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
> First
> > > > > export
> > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
> > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
> > > > >
> > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
> modify/rename
> > > etc
> > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I would
> > > > > not
> > > expect
> > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
> > > > > imagination
> but
> > > it
> > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
> > > > > loose
> your
> > > > > original source code.
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
> > > > > good
> > > Version
> > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
> > > > > more
> > > advanced
> > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
> in-expensive
> > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
> check-in/check-out
> > > and
> > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
> import
> > > from
> > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
> supports
> > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
> > > > > 1.2
> and
> > > the
> > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
> > > > > at
> 4.0.
> > > You
> > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
> > > > > publishes
> to
> > > the
> > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone take a
> > > > > quick
> > > look
> > > at
> > > > > this productivity enhancer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Allen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Moderator"
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could help
> with,
> > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Clif
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
> > > > > > > this
> ought
> > > not
> > > > > to be
> > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
> > > DataStage
> > > > > > > repository structures.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
I thought the tax rate was higher in the US from memory. It has been a while though! I know here in New Zealand it is a whopping 33% flat rate.
Phil.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ray Wurlod [mailto:ray.wurlod@Informix.Com]
>Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 18:45
>To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
>The IRS gets the first 250,000,000 !!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Walker, Phil (Forest Resources) [mailto:Phil.Walker@chh.co.nz]
>Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 12:05
>To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
>Maybe, they could spend some of that 1,000,000,000 in cash on buying
>the product 8^)
>
>Phil
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
>> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>> I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get
>there thoughts
>> on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing department.
>> Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as well.
>>
>> Allen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
>> Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>>
>>
>> > Allen,
>> >
>> > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at
>> > it. Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
>> everything
>> I
>> > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
>> wrong
>> > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit
>> > clunky,
>> from
>> an
>> > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look
>> > and
>> feel
>> as
>> > the Manager, Designer, Director.
>> >
>> > Phil.
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
>> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>> > >
>> > > Phil,
>> > >
>> > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
>> > > 10k
>> or
>> > > 15k
>> > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
>> > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
>business.
>> > > Its
>> > > really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance
>> > > at.
>> This
>> > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
>> especially
>> > > in
>> > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
>> > > environment.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Allen
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
>> > > To:
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
>> > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
>> > > > project?
>> > > >
>> > > > Do you know what is costs?
>> > > > Phil.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
>> > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
>> First
>> > > > > export
>> > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
>> > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
>> modify/rename
>> > > etc
>> > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I
>would not
>> > > expect
>> > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
>> > > > > imagination
>> but
>> > > it
>> > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
>> > > > > loose
>> your
>> > > > > original source code.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
>> > > > > good
>> > > Version
>> > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
>> > > > > more
>> > > advanced
>> > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
>> in-expensive
>> > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
>> check-in/check-out
>> > > and
>> > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
>> import
>> > > from
>> > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
>> supports
>> > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
>> > > > > 1.2
>> and
>> > > the
>> > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
>> > > > > at
>> 4.0.
>> > > You
>> > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
>> > > > > publishes
>> to
>> > > the
>> > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone
>take a quick
>> > > look
>> > > at
>> > > > > this productivity enhancer.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Allen
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "Moderator"
>> > > > > To:
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could
>> > > > > > help
>> with,
>> > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Clif
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
>> > > > > > > this
>> ought
>> > > not
>> > > > > to be
>> > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
>> > > DataStage
>> > > > > > > repository structures.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>
Phil.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ray Wurlod [mailto:ray.wurlod@Informix.Com]
>Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 18:45
>To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
>The IRS gets the first 250,000,000 !!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Walker, Phil (Forest Resources) [mailto:Phil.Walker@chh.co.nz]
>Sent: Thursday, 10 May 2001 12:05
>To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
>Maybe, they could spend some of that 1,000,000,000 in cash on buying
>the product 8^)
>
>Phil
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 2:05 PM
>> To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>> Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>> I agree! perhaps you can comment back to performart and get
>there thoughts
>> on the look and feel and/or the Ascentials marketing department.
>> Still the core functionality looked pretty good to me as well.
>>
>> Allen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:21 PM
>> Subject: RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>>
>>
>> > Allen,
>> >
>> > I downloaded the performart demo version and had a quick look at
>> > it. Functionally it looked good although I did not really get to do
>> everything
>> I
>> > wanted, demo license and time available. The only thing I could see
>> wrong
>> > with it was the UI. It needs some work though I felt - a bit
>> > clunky,
>> from
>> an
>> > Ascential point of view it would be good if it had the same look
>> > and
>> feel
>> as
>> > the Manager, Designer, Director.
>> >
>> > Phil.
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
>> > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 1:03 PM
>> > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>> > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs - Version Control
>> > >
>> > > Phil,
>> > >
>> > > Im not sure the actual price but I believe it is something like
>> > > 10k
>> or
>> > > 15k
>> > > and yes it is the 3rd party product that they are reselling. It
>> > > was developed by some ex-Ardent employees that started there own
>business.
>> > > Its
>> > > really come along way and in my opinion is worth taking a glance
>> > > at.
>> This
>> > > really becomes a godsend when you start real world development
>> especially
>> > > in
>> > > a "development--->test--->production" type of production
>> > > environment.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Allen
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "Walker, Phil (Forest Resources)"
>> > > To:
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:23 PM
>> > > Subject: RE: Released Jobs
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Is this same third party product which creates a version
>> > > > project?
>> > > >
>> > > > Do you know what is costs?
>> > > > Phil.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Allen Spayth - wwc [SMTP:daspayth@wwc.com]
>> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 11:11 AM
>> > > > > To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Actually there is a trivial resolution should it be required.
>> First
>> > > > > export
>> > > > > the released job(s) then edit the export file.
>> > > > > Do a global replace of: Readonly "1" with Readonly "0"
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Then re-import the dsx file. You should then be able to
>> modify/rename
>> > > etc
>> > > > > the job(s). Remember that this could be dangerous and I
>would not
>> > > expect
>> > > > > this to be a "supported feature" by any means of the
>> > > > > imagination
>> but
>> > > it
>> > > > > certainly could get you out of a bad situation should you
>> > > > > loose
>> your
>> > > > > original source code.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Speaking of source code Ascential is now selling a pretty
>> > > > > good
>> > > Version
>> > > > > Control software addon for DataStage which is significantly
>> > > > > more
>> > > advanced
>> > > > > than the "release-jobs" concept of version control. This
>> in-expensive
>> > > > > add-on supports full rollback, compile, read-only,
>> check-in/check-out
>> > > and
>> > > > > more. The concept is to have a VERSION project that you can
>> import
>> > > from
>> > > > > development projects and then publish to test/production. It
>> supports
>> > > > > sub-versions of objects such that a routine may be at version
>> > > > > 1.2
>> and
>> > > the
>> > > > > job(s) may be at version 3.1 and the whole "release" may be
>> > > > > at
>> 4.0.
>> > > You
>> > > > > can also have it create the hash files for you when it
>> > > > > publishes
>> to
>> > > the
>> > > > > production project/server. I recommend that everyone
>take a quick
>> > > look
>> > > at
>> > > > > this productivity enhancer.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Regards,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Allen
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > From: "Moderator"
>> > > > > To:
>> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:30 PM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: Released Jobs
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Now I would think that might be something Support could
>> > > > > > help
>> with,
>> > > > > > could it not? (Or would it not?)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Clif
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 4:35:06 PM, you wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > It can be done through the "back door" so to speak, but
>> > > > > > > this
>> ought
>> > > not
>> > > > > to be
>> > > > > > > undertaken without a thorough knowledge of the underlying
>> > > DataStage
>> > > > > > > repository structures.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>
After all of my complaining on informix-mv about off topic discussions I must apologise for not having followed good ettiquette in my initial remark!
Anyway we had Tax Freedom day in New Zealand a few weeks ago. If only we could have a our Labour Free Day some time soon!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fitzgerald, Dan [mailto:dafitzge@oxhp.com]
>Sent: Friday, 11 May 2001 04:45
>To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>Subject: OT:RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
>>>> I thought the tax rate was higher in the US from memory. It has
>>>> been a
>while
>though! I know here in New Zealand it is a whopping 33% flat rate.Here in the State of Connecticut, USA, Tax Freedom day is still a few
>weeks
>away: at the end of the year, we will, on average, have paid more in taxes
>than weve earned - gross - so far this year. Thats right: every penny
>weve earned so far has gone to government, and most of us arent done for
>this year, yet. Some states (Alaska) just passed their Tax Freedom day
>within the past week. Here are the federal rates individual rates:
>
>Married filing jointly
>
> 0 - 45,200 15%
> 45,200 - 109,250 28%
>109,250 - 166,500 31%
>166,500 - 297,350 36%
>297,350 & up 39.6%
>
>Single
>
> 0 - 27,050 15%
> 27,050 - 65,550 28%
> 65,550 - 136,750 31%
>136,750 - 297,350 36%
>297,350 & up 39.6%
>
>
>
>
>
Anyway we had Tax Freedom day in New Zealand a few weeks ago. If only we could have a our Labour Free Day some time soon!
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fitzgerald, Dan [mailto:dafitzge@oxhp.com]
>Sent: Friday, 11 May 2001 04:45
>To: informix-datastage@oliver.com
>Subject: OT:RE: Released Jobs - Version Control
>
>
>>>> I thought the tax rate was higher in the US from memory. It has
>>>> been a
>while
>though! I know here in New Zealand it is a whopping 33% flat rate.Here in the State of Connecticut, USA, Tax Freedom day is still a few
>weeks
>away: at the end of the year, we will, on average, have paid more in taxes
>than weve earned - gross - so far this year. Thats right: every penny
>weve earned so far has gone to government, and most of us arent done for
>this year, yet. Some states (Alaska) just passed their Tax Freedom day
>within the past week. Here are the federal rates individual rates:
>
>Married filing jointly
>
> 0 - 45,200 15%
> 45,200 - 109,250 28%
>109,250 - 166,500 31%
>166,500 - 297,350 36%
>297,350 & up 39.6%
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>Single
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> 0 - 27,050 15%
> 27,050 - 65,550 28%
> 65,550 - 136,750 31%
>136,750 - 297,350 36%
>297,350 & up 39.6%
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